diff --git a/docs/changelog.rst b/docs/changelog.rst
index 55278379e..1b4ee5e2d 100644
--- a/docs/changelog.rst
+++ b/docs/changelog.rst
@@ -117,6 +117,9 @@ Detailed list of changes
 
 - Quick access terminal: Allow toggling the window to full screen and map using the standard kitty :sc:`toggle_fullscreen` shortcut (:iss:`8626`)
 
+- A new setting :opt:`remember_window_position` to optionally use the position of the last closed kitty OS Window as the position of the first kitty OS Window when running a new kitty instance (:pull:`8601`)
+
+
 0.42.0 [2025-05-11]
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
diff --git a/kitty/boss.py b/kitty/boss.py
index 0a773e634..fd2475d79 100644
--- a/kitty/boss.py
+++ b/kitty/boss.py
@@ -85,8 +85,6 @@ from .fast_data_types import (
     get_boss,
     get_options,
     get_os_window_size,
-    get_os_window_pos,
-    glfw_primary_monitor_size,
     glfw_get_monitor_workarea,
     global_font_size,
     is_layer_shell_supported,
@@ -1845,9 +1843,14 @@ class Boss:
         else:
             self.mark_os_window_for_close(os_window_id, NO_CLOSE_REQUESTED)
 
-    def on_os_window_closed(self, os_window_id: int, viewport_width: int, viewport_height: int) -> None:
-        self.cached_values['window-size'] = viewport_width, viewport_height
+    def on_os_window_closed(self, os_window_id: int, x: int, y: int, viewport_width: int, viewport_height: int, is_layer_shell: bool) -> None:
         tm = self.os_window_map.pop(os_window_id, None)
+        opts = get_options()
+        if not is_layer_shell:
+            if opts.remember_window_position and not is_wayland() and not self.os_window_map:
+                self.cached_values['window-pos'] = x, y
+                self.cached_values['monitor-workarea'] = glfw_get_monitor_workarea()
+            self.cached_values['window-size'] = viewport_width, viewport_height
         if tm is not None:
             tm.destroy()
         for window_id in tuple(w.id for w in self.window_id_map.values() if getattr(w, 'os_window_id', None) == os_window_id):
@@ -1867,10 +1870,6 @@ class Boss:
             for qt in q:
                 windows += list(qt)
         active_window = self.active_window
-        x, y = get_os_window_pos(active_window.id)
-        monitorGeometryX, monitorGeometryY = glfw_primary_monitor_size()
-        self.cached_values['window-pos'] = x, y
-        self.cached_values['monitor-workarea'] = glfw_get_monitor_workarea()
         msg, num_active_windows = self.close_windows_with_confirmation_msg(windows, active_window)
         x = get_options().confirm_os_window_close[0]
         num = num_active_windows if x < 0 else len(windows)
diff --git a/kitty/child-monitor.c b/kitty/child-monitor.c
index 02fd79a53..d5821d497 100644
--- a/kitty/child-monitor.c
+++ b/kitty/child-monitor.c
@@ -1114,8 +1114,11 @@ close_os_window(ChildMonitor *self, OSWindow *os_window) {
     if (os_window->before_fullscreen.is_set && is_os_window_fullscreen(os_window)) {
         w = os_window->before_fullscreen.w; h = os_window->before_fullscreen.h;
     }
+    int x = 0, y = 0;
+    if (os_window->handle && !global_state.is_wayland) glfwGetWindowPos(os_window->handle, &x, &y);
+    bool is_layer_shell = os_window->is_layer_shell;
     destroy_os_window(os_window);
-    call_boss(on_os_window_closed, "Kii", os_window->id, w, h);
+    call_boss(on_os_window_closed, "KiiiiO", os_window->id, x, y, w, h, is_layer_shell ? Py_True : Py_False);
     for (size_t t=0; t < os_window->num_tabs; t++) {
         Tab *tab = os_window->tabs + t;
         for (size_t w = 0; w < tab->num_windows; w++) mark_child_for_close(self, tab->windows[w].id);
diff --git a/kitty/cli.py b/kitty/cli.py
index 666e07287..68f8d6b8e 100644
--- a/kitty/cli.py
+++ b/kitty/cli.py
@@ -602,7 +602,6 @@ def apply_preparsed_cli_flags(preparsed_from_c: PreparsedCLIFlags, ans: Any, cre
 
 
 def parse_cmdline(oc: Options, disabled: OptionSpecSeq, ans: Any, args: list[str] | None = None) -> list[str]:
-
     names_map = oc.names_map.copy()
     values_map = oc.values_map.copy()
     if 'help' not in names_map:
diff --git a/kitty/fast_data_types.pyi b/kitty/fast_data_types.pyi
index 9ceb7f2f9..538366162 100644
--- a/kitty/fast_data_types.pyi
+++ b/kitty/fast_data_types.pyi
@@ -645,10 +645,10 @@ def get_options() -> Options:
     pass
 
 
-def glfw_primary_monitor_size() -> Tuple[int, int]:
+def glfw_primary_monitor_size() -> tuple[int, int]:
     pass
 
-def glfw_get_monitor_workarea() -> [Tuple[int, int, int, int]]:
+def glfw_get_monitor_workarea() -> tuple[tuple[int, int, int, int], ...]:
     pass
 
 
diff --git a/kitty/glfw.c b/kitty/glfw.c
index 7f5a8d96e..1059a54dd 100644
--- a/kitty/glfw.c
+++ b/kitty/glfw.c
@@ -2127,40 +2127,20 @@ primary_monitor_size(PYNOARG) {
     return Py_BuildValue("ii", mode->width, mode->height);
 }
 
-static PyObject *
-get_monitor_workarea(PYNOARG)
-{
+static PyObject*
+get_monitor_workarea(PYNOARG) {
     int count = 0;
     GLFWmonitor **monitors = glfwGetMonitors(&count);
-    if (count == 0)
-    {
-        PyErr_SetString(PyExc_ValueError, "Failed to retrieve monitors");
-    }
-
-    PyObject *result = PyList_New(count);
-    if (!result)
-    {
-        return NULL;
-    }
-
-    for (int i = 0; i < count; i++)
-    {
+    if (count <= 0 || !monitors) return PyTuple_New(0);
+    RAII_PyObject(result, PyTuple_New(count)); if (!result) return NULL;
+    for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) {
         int xpos, ypos, width, height;
-        GLFWmonitor *monitor = monitors[i];
-
-        glfwGetMonitorWorkarea(monitor, &xpos, &ypos, &width, &height);
-
+        glfwGetMonitorWorkarea(monitors[i], &xpos, &ypos, &width, &height);
         PyObject *monitor_workarea = Py_BuildValue("iiii", xpos, ypos, width, height);
-        if (!monitor_workarea)
-        {
-            Py_DECREF(monitor_workarea);
-            return NULL;
-        }
-
-        PyList_SET_ITEM(result, i, monitor_workarea);
+        if (!monitor_workarea) return NULL;
+        PyTuple_SET_ITEM(result, i, monitor_workarea);
     }
-
-    return result;
+    return Py_NewRef(result);
 }
 
 static PyObject*
diff --git a/kitty/main.py b/kitty/main.py
index a26657898..8f51c9a46 100644
--- a/kitty/main.py
+++ b/kitty/main.py
@@ -38,10 +38,9 @@ from .fast_data_types import (
     SingleKey,
     create_os_window,
     free_font_data,
+    glfw_get_monitor_workarea,
     glfw_init,
     glfw_terminate,
-    glfw_primary_monitor_size,
-    glfw_get_monitor_workarea,
     is_layer_shell_supported,
     load_png_data,
     mask_kitty_signals_process_wide,
@@ -234,8 +233,15 @@ def _run_app(opts: Options, args: CLIOptions, bad_lines: Sequence[BadLine] = (),
         set_window_icon()
     if _is_panel_kitten and not is_layer_shell_supported():
         raise SystemExit('Cannot create panels as the window manager/compositor does not support the neccessary protocols')
-
+    pos_x, pos_y = None, None
     with cached_values_for(run_app.cached_values_name) as cached_values:
+        if not _is_panel_kitten and not is_wayland():
+            if opts.remember_window_position:
+                cached_workarea = cached_values.get('monitor-workarea', ())
+                if cached_workarea and glfw_get_monitor_workarea() == tuple(cached_workarea):
+                    pos_x, pos_y = cached_values.get('window-pos', (None, None))
+            if args.position:
+                pos_x, pos_y = map(int, args.position.lower().partition('x')[::2])
         startup_sessions = tuple(create_sessions(opts, args, default_session=opts.startup_session))
         wincls = (startup_sessions[0].os_window_class if startup_sessions else '') or args.cls or appname
         winname = (startup_sessions[0].os_window_name if startup_sessions else '') or args.name or wincls or appname
@@ -243,19 +249,13 @@ def _run_app(opts: Options, args: CLIOptions, bad_lines: Sequence[BadLine] = (),
             getattr(startup_sessions[0], 'os_window_state', None) if startup_sessions else None
         )
         wstate = parse_os_window_state(window_state) if window_state is not None else None
-        posX, posY = None, None
-        if args.position:
-            monitor_workarea = glfw_get_monitor_workarea()
-            cached_workarea = cached_values.get('monitor-workarea', None)
-            if cached_workarea and len(monitor_workarea) == len(cached_workarea):
-                if all([tuple(cached_workarea[i]) == monitor_workarea[i] for i in range(len(cached_workarea))]):
-                    posX, posY = cached_values.get('window-pos', (None, None))
+
         with startup_notification_handler(extra_callback=run_app.first_window_callback) as pre_show_callback:
             window_id = create_os_window(
                     run_app.initial_window_size_func(get_os_window_sizing_data(opts, startup_sessions[0] if startup_sessions else None), cached_values),
                     pre_show_callback,
                     args.title or appname, winname,
-                    wincls, wstate, load_all_shaders, disallow_override_title=bool(args.title), layer_shell_config=run_app.layer_shell_config, x=posX, y=posY)
+                    wincls, wstate, load_all_shaders, disallow_override_title=bool(args.title), layer_shell_config=run_app.layer_shell_config, x=pos_x, y=pos_y)
         boss = Boss(opts, args, cached_values, global_shortcuts, talk_fd)
         boss.start(window_id, startup_sessions)
         if args.debug_font_fallback:
diff --git a/kitty/options/definition.py b/kitty/options/definition.py
index 7ba13c0b8..86144248a 100644
--- a/kitty/options/definition.py
+++ b/kitty/options/definition.py
@@ -1079,6 +1079,18 @@ opt('initial_window_height', '400',
     option_type='window_size',
     )
 
+opt('remember_window_position', 'no',
+    option_type='to_bool',
+    long_text='''
+If enabled, the :term:`OS Window <os_window>` position will be remembered so that
+new instances of kitty will have the same position as the previous instance.
+If disabled, the :term:`OS Window <os_window>` will be placed by the window manager.
+Note that remembering of position only works if the underlying desktop environment/window
+manager supports it. It never works on Wayland. See also :option:`kitty --position` to
+specify the position when launching kitty.
+'''
+    )
+
 opt('enabled_layouts', '*',
     option_type='to_layout_names',
     long_text='''
diff --git a/kitty/options/parse.py b/kitty/options/parse.py
index bc11eddc9..6ef063129 100644
--- a/kitty/options/parse.py
+++ b/kitty/options/parse.py
@@ -1171,6 +1171,9 @@ class Parser:
 
     choices_for_pointer_shape_when_grabbed = choices_for_default_pointer_shape
 
+    def remember_window_position(self, val: str, ans: dict[str, typing.Any]) -> None:
+        ans['remember_window_position'] = to_bool(val)
+
     def remember_window_size(self, val: str, ans: dict[str, typing.Any]) -> None:
         ans['remember_window_size'] = to_bool(val)
 
diff --git a/kitty/options/to-c-generated.h b/kitty/options/to-c-generated.h
index e2164ae2c..36622a48f 100644
--- a/kitty/options/to-c-generated.h
+++ b/kitty/options/to-c-generated.h
@@ -889,6 +889,19 @@ convert_from_opts_background_blur(PyObject *py_opts, Options *opts) {
     Py_DECREF(ret);
 }
 
+static void
+convert_from_python_dynamic_background_opacity(PyObject *val, Options *opts) {
+    opts->dynamic_background_opacity = PyObject_IsTrue(val);
+}
+
+static void
+convert_from_opts_dynamic_background_opacity(PyObject *py_opts, Options *opts) {
+    PyObject *ret = PyObject_GetAttrString(py_opts, "dynamic_background_opacity");
+    if (ret == NULL) return;
+    convert_from_python_dynamic_background_opacity(ret, opts);
+    Py_DECREF(ret);
+}
+
 static void
 convert_from_python_background_image(PyObject *val, Options *opts) {
     background_image(val, opts);
@@ -928,19 +941,6 @@ convert_from_opts_background_image_linear(PyObject *py_opts, Options *opts) {
     Py_DECREF(ret);
 }
 
-static void
-convert_from_python_dynamic_background_opacity(PyObject *val, Options *opts) {
-    opts->dynamic_background_opacity = PyObject_IsTrue(val);
-}
-
-static void
-convert_from_opts_dynamic_background_opacity(PyObject *py_opts, Options *opts) {
-    PyObject *ret = PyObject_GetAttrString(py_opts, "dynamic_background_opacity");
-    if (ret == NULL) return;
-    convert_from_python_dynamic_background_opacity(ret, opts);
-    Py_DECREF(ret);
-}
-
 static void
 convert_from_python_background_tint(PyObject *val, Options *opts) {
     opts->background_tint = PyFloat_AsFloat(val);
@@ -1313,14 +1313,14 @@ convert_opts_from_python_opts(PyObject *py_opts, Options *opts) {
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_blur(py_opts, opts);
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
+    convert_from_opts_dynamic_background_opacity(py_opts, opts);
+    if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_image(py_opts, opts);
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_image_layout(py_opts, opts);
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_image_linear(py_opts, opts);
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
-    convert_from_opts_dynamic_background_opacity(py_opts, opts);
-    if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_tint(py_opts, opts);
     if (PyErr_Occurred()) return false;
     convert_from_opts_background_tint_gaps(py_opts, opts);
diff --git a/kitty/options/types.py b/kitty/options/types.py
index 8e6a75446..a960534da 100644
--- a/kitty/options/types.py
+++ b/kitty/options/types.py
@@ -403,6 +403,7 @@ option_names = (
     'placement_strategy',
     'pointer_shape_when_dragging',
     'pointer_shape_when_grabbed',
+    'remember_window_position',
     'remember_window_size',
     'remote_control_password',
     'repaint_delay',
@@ -575,6 +576,7 @@ class Options:
     placement_strategy: choices_for_placement_strategy = 'center'
     pointer_shape_when_dragging: tuple[str, str] = ('beam', 'crosshair')
     pointer_shape_when_grabbed: choices_for_pointer_shape_when_grabbed = 'arrow'
+    remember_window_position: bool = False
     remember_window_size: bool = True
     repaint_delay: int = 10
     resize_debounce_time: tuple[float, float] = (0.1, 0.5)
diff --git a/kitty/simple_cli_definitions.py b/kitty/simple_cli_definitions.py
index 108c3f5b0..b6051dc31 100644
--- a/kitty/simple_cli_definitions.py
+++ b/kitty/simple_cli_definitions.py
@@ -477,8 +477,11 @@ Control how the initial kitty window is created.
 
 
 --position
-type=bool-set
-Restores the last session's window position. Does not work on Wayland.
+The position, for example 10x20, on screen at which to place the first kitty OS Window.
+This may or may not work depending on the policies of the desktop
+environment/window manager. It never works on Wayland.
+See also :opt:`remember_window_position` to have kitty automatically try
+to restore the previous window position.
 
 
 # Debugging options